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>> jennifer: i'm jennifer granholm. tonight in "the war room," what do you call it when governors andrew cuomo dan malloy, chris christie, and new york mayor, michael bloomberg all come out publicly in support of an overhaul to our gun laws? pretty good start. [♪ theme music ♪] >> jennifer: it's been nearly four weeks since the sandy hook shootings, and said for the first time since then, the connecticut legislature was back in session. governor dan malloy made on emotional plea to lawmakers some of them from newtown itself a plea to take action in memory of the victims. >> and yet in the midst of one of the worst days in our history, we also saw the best of

our state. teachers and a therapist that sacrificed their live pros texting students. a principal and school psychologist that ran into harm's way. our brave connecticut state troopers, newtown's local law enforcement and firemen and others that responded courageously when called upon. sorry. >> jennifer: it's okay. it's heart breaking. but it also offers some hope that connecticut will move forward on gun control legislation whether or not washington does. and it's not just connecticut. in new york governor andrew cuomo also called for strengthening gun laws including ban on assault weapons. >> we are proposing today common

sense measured. and i say to you forget the extremists. it's simple. no one hunts with an assault rifle. no one needs that many bullets to kill a deer and too many innocent people are died already! end this madness now! let's get reasonable gun control in the state of new york! >> jennifer: and it looks like he is going to get what he asks for, because wbcs reports that cuomo was negotiationing with members of the legislature to cut a deal on this today. further down governor chris christie also weighed in. and he said he is open to a conversation about stricter gun-safety laws, but policy makers need to address the mental health dare system and improve access to drug treatment.

he also said they should look at the role of violent video games. he didn't call for a bonn on those video games, he said there is already a ban in place in his own house. >> you cannot tell me that a kid sitting in a base mth for hours playing call of duty and killing people over and over and over again does not desensitize that child to the real life effects of violence. >> jennifer: chris christie is still my favorite republican. and this isn't just happening in northeastern states. colorado is considering new restrictions. democrats there control both of the dham bers and they are expected to push a series of gun-safety measures but don't celebrate just yet, because colorado republicans are digging in their heels saying they are not going to let the measure go through, and they have their own counterproposal, which is putting armed officers in schools. of course that's something that other states including virginia

tennessee, alabama, are all considering, and the idea is coming straight from the nra play book which wayne lapierre actually called for in his address after sandy hook. >> if it's crazy to call for putting police in our schools to protect our children, then call me crazy. i'll tell you what the american people -- i think the american people think it's crazy not to do it. it's the one thing that would keep people safe. >> jennifer: actually looks like the american people do think he's crazy, or at least that his ideas are. there was a new ppp poll out there that finds that just 41% of the voters support the nra's proposal to arm teachers and it also found that the nra's support itself has eroded since lapierre's press conference. you might think that sounds

pretty good, but that's down a full ten points since the week before his press conference. so maybe their struggle hold on our gun laws is loosening, and will continue to if leaders like dan malloy keep standing up to the gun lobby. >> freedom is not a handgun on the hip of every teacher and security should not mean a guard posted outside of every classroom. that is not who we are in connecticut, and not who we will allow ourselves to become. >> jennifer: hopefully the rest of the nation will follow connecticut's lead. for more on the state of gun laws i'm joined by mike sacks. mike is a correspondent for huffpost live. he is coming to us from washington, d.c. mike, welcome back inside "the war room." >> thanks for having me governor. >> jennifer: you bet.

so how significant it is that governors are speaking up? >> it's quite significant these governors are speaking up. states are the laboratory of democracy, and what they can be doing in their states can be models for the rest of the country, and maybe models for congress, if congress chooses to listen. >> jennifer: chris christie said he thinks republican governors are shaping the ayen da more than the flps congress. do you think that's true? maybe on guns and other things too? >> it could very well be true on guns, but of course that's a mixed bag. you can have governors out west or in the south that would put police and armed guards at every school, and governors on the east who would go more like the rest of the country. and what we can see there is really what each state sees it's a as. but connecticut doesn't put

armed guards in every school but colorado choices to do so we could see which works. >> jennifer: there is an argument for every bit of policy regardless of what the facts are. i think you'll continue to see blue states push one way and red states push another. do you think the nra will push back against the blue state governors, and will it stop them? >> of course they are going to keep pushing. this is their livelihood. this is what keeps them going, and wayne law pierre out there. so yes, they are going to keep pushing and they are hoping that national lawmakers will be listening. >> jennifer: you have covered also, i know the supreme court. do you think you can make meaningful change on gun safety at the state level? or does it need to be at the

federal level? >> ultimately the buck stops at the supreme court. and you can make meaningful change at the state level to the extent you're not impeding interstate commerce. and it's look like so long as you don't ban con silled carry. a state can't choose to ban a hand gup. and a state it is looks like perhaps next term after the chicago ruling a couple of days before the sandy hook shooting but anything beyond that taxing or bans on high-capacity magazines, to are reasonable regulations that will be fought out in the states, and will

learn from the majority. >> jennifer: it's very interesting, because i think what many people would consider reasonable challenges like a state by state assault weapons ban, or state by state magazine clip limitations. those do end up with this supreme court, and you're going to get similar results to what we have already seen. do you think the state laws indicate that state lawmakers themselves are worried about what can actually get done at the federal level? do you think it shows a lack of confidence in the federal congress that gun safety measures can be adopted. >> i think it just shows that they are closer to the grown. you heard governor malloy breaking down in his state address. president obama went to nowtown and cried, but we didn't break down.

that shows the level of connection from its constituents. and the connection with washington is sometime different. and that is much more of a an impetus for any state-level government. >> jennifer: yeah, well i'll -- all politics is local, at least the most meaningful politics. mike sacks thank you so much for joining us. mike sacks from the "huffington post." coming up, actions by the states is one part of the equation and the federal government is the other. and we'll look at joe biden's day at the office. plus during a fiscal cliff negotiations mitch mcconnell was

reasonable and willing to work with democrats, and those are two big no noes. and one of the famous mitt romney lines gets put to the test. it's a wednesday night in san francisco. we're just getting started. stay with us. i think that the audience gets that this guy, to the best of his ability, is trying to look out for us.

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>>ok, so there's wiggle room in the ten commandments, that's what you're saying. you would rather deal with ahmadinejad than me. >>absolutely. >> and so would mitt romney. (vo) she's joy behar. >>and the best part is that current will let me say anything. what the hell were they thinking? ♪ >> jennifer: vice president joe biden pledged today that the administration would reduce gun violence in this country even if it requires executive action only. and that would mean the president using his executive authority to avoid yet another futile fight with congress. >> the president is going to act. there are executive actions that can be taken. we're compiling all of that with the help of the attorney general

and the rest of the cabinet members, as well as legislative action we believe is required. >> jennifer: i totally love executive orders for many reasons. there are other powerful voices to contend with. and tomorrow two of those will have an audience the nra and wal-mart. today we're getting a look at some of the people who will be shaping the president's second-term cabinet. jack lou will be teshry secretary, and hilda solis will be stepping down. so for more on gun control, gun safety, and the other big issues i'm joined by the great chris pelosi.

great to have you back inside "the war room." >> great to be here governor. >> stephanie: yesterday your mom spoke up. here is a sound bite. >> if we come out of the newtown experience and all we do is talk about it and not have a result that would be a dereliction of duty on our part. >> jennifer: are you hearing -- is there any possibility of getting something through congress. >> i think there is. >> jennifer: really? >> the majority of americans agree closing the gun show loopholes. i think if it starts in the senate -- >> jennifer: it would have to start in the senate. >> has to start in the senate is, but i think background checks are very important. most people in america agree we

should keep guns out of the hands of children criminals and those on the terrorist watch list. >> jennifer: and those with mental illness. >> absolutely. there also should be support for what biden did as senator in terms of the crime bill when they took illegal guns off of the streets and made sure there were more cops on the beat. >> joy: is that going to be part of the biden task force? >> i hope so. we had expanded community policing which made a big difference. [ overlapping speakers ] >> if somebody tried to buy a gun, and there was domestic violence temporary restraining order, that person couldn't guy a gun. it is very important they reenact the violence against women act.

and we visited the atf and saw -- >> jennifer: the atf is the bureau of tobacco alcohol and firearms in this country. but nobody has been approved to be the leader. >> absolutely by putting somebody in charge and making sure that people know where the guns are who is tracking them and if you go to a gun shop and have a background track and you fail that the atf is following up to make sure that law enforcement knows that you failed. >> jennifer: it's all logical to you and i but this is as we know a big battleground for the nra. they have been one of the endties that have caused the

problems at the atf. can the president restore some of the atf authority? or are there other executive order actions that he can take without having to go through congress. >> he has to try to go through congress first. very important. he says congress must act and if congress will not act, then these are the recommendations. let's take them to the people and as the president said i want to do something on gun violence prevennes and i want the public to be with me. >> jennifer: it is interesting what you just said. you have talked about a sequencing. because if he goes to executive order first it takes away a political argument and flies in the face of authority. so he has to go to congress first and if they don't do then

he does what he can. >> as he did with the dream act. >> jennifer: all right. so cabinet positions. obviously you need people to be able to carry out this second-term agenda. huge changes being made. what do you think so far of the cabinet members that he has nominated? >> here on current tv in your absence we were playing fantasy cabinet, and i did recommending both hagel and carey. >> joy: okay. so who else? did you talk about lou? >> no i was talking about cheryl sanburg. >> jennifer: all right. what about chief of staff? >> i was thinking shean donovan and then there would be a new hud secretary -- >> but he is not leaving.

>> yes, there are some wonderful public service opportunities in los angeles that hilda solis is taking a look at. many people have encouraged her to take a look at running for office. >> jennifer: he has gotten some criticism for appointing all white males so far. but he is going to appoint some women. >> that's right. >> jennifer: we're going to come back and talk about another really important subject. so come back and we have some other stories to cover, because there are some developments in the war on women, but after the break we have got to talk about what is happening in congress in the right on right fight. poor john boehner meet poor mitch mcconnell, the club for republican leaders in need of a hug appears to have added a

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♪ >> jennifer: you're back inside "the war room." i'm jennifer granholm. i know i'm not going out on a limb by saying that senate minority leader mitch mcconnell is a very conservative republican. let's take a look at his voting record. he has repeatedly voted against a women's right to choose. he thinks there should be a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage. he wants to overturn obamacare. he voted for banning affirmative action hiring and he has received an a rating with the nra because of his pro-gun stance. but his support of the recent

fiscal cliff deal has some republicans seeing red. so red that they have launched an online campaign against him. a conservative actionist is behind it. and he said it is to make it emphatically clear that is unacceptable. mcconnell works with democrats to avoid economic catastrophe and that is 100% unacceptable! coming to us tonight from washington, d.c. to discuss republican intransigence and the right on right things is

he's a resident fellow with american enterprise institute. norm is also the author of "it's even worse than it looks". how the american constitutional system collided with the new politics of extremism. norm glad to have you back inside "the war room." >> it is always a great pleasure to be with you, jennifer. >> jennifer: all right. so do you think that the ad campaign against mitch mcconnell will somehow make him less likely to deal with democrats when it comes to the debt ceiling? >> first i would like to thank brent because all of this is great for sales of the book. it shows how you have a republican party that has a large faction, the dominant faction that has moved to the fringes of american politics and compromise is out of bounds for them. for mcconnell there's a real dilemma here that has two components to it.

the first is he is up for reelection in 2014 in a state where he is no longer the king maker. he did everything he could to keep rand paul from winning nomination two years ago, and failed miserably. now he has hired paul's campaign manager, has his own campaign manager, but he has to worry a little bit about pressure from the right. and john boehner has pretty much taken himself out of the lead-dog role in negotiating with the administration and that makes it fall back on o'connell for the fiscal issues immigration, probably guns, and a host of other issues where everything that mcconnell does to reach a deal -- look at that fiscal cliff resolution. 89 senator voted for it. pat tumy voted for it.

moderates who joined with mitch mcconnell, but that's not enough to avoid the wrath of the right or to win over enough republicans in the house. so this is going to be a tough few months for senator mcconnell. >> jennifer: it's so fascinating, because you wonder whether somebody like senator mcconnell wants to be in the lead dog position. do you think that baner is kind of relieved that mitch mcconnell has taken the mantel and he just gets the drags of whatever is sent back over. >> i think in his heart of hearts, john boehner would love to have a different caucus that would be a little more pliable, and willing to let him be the legislature. but right now he realizes he can't get much of anything done unless you have it forced upon the house, and frankly in the house, where -- you know even with those 89 senator and almost

all of the republicans supporting it, he could barely get a third of his own caucus. the only thing he'll get things done is with more democrats than republicans, and that puts more pressure on mcconnell and will leave some pressure on boehner. >> jennifer: many people say that boehner is not a good leader. why -- you have written about this, and you disagree that he is not a good leader. why? >> well, you know, as you know from your own service, leadership requires one thing above all others followership. and if you don't have followers, the dilemma becomes very, very great. so when i look at the dilemma that boehner had in the negotiations over the fiscal cliff where even when he came back to his colleagues and said i need something to give me a little bit of leverage with the

president, his so-called plan b which i thought was an unfortunate choice of terms. >> jennifer: for many reasons. >> this wasn't an over the counter remedy as it turned out -- he was spurned. and what he did in a caucus that rebelled against him was still to figure out a way to get it done without a catastrophe. what he did was save the radicals in the caucus from themselves. it was an exercise of leadership. >> jennifer: yeah. with all of this, norm as the expert on whether congress is going to be effective or not? will this congress be just as unproductive as the last one, or is there hope? >> you have to say about the last one, that it set the bar so low, and that means it's not

even on the ground it's underneath the ground, that it would be hard for this congress to do worse. that's a challenge for them but when you look at some of these issues out there, you have a chance now of a comprehensive immigration bill. six months ago we would have said that chance was close to zero, but that is turning around. we're seeing a refraining of the gun issue that really does alter the landscape some. there are bipartisan major advertise for dealing with infrastructure. it doesn't take all of that much to get us past the fiscal issue for now, another trillion dollars that may be doable, and you put that together with the new opportunities in energy and it -- we're not that far away from something reasonably productive. >> jennifer: all right. >> but we have lunatics we're dealing with here. >> jennifer: for sure. maybe your next book instead of

it's even worse than it looks, maybe it's not as bad as it looks. that's he's a resident fellow with american enterprise institute. norm is also the author of "it's even worse than it looks." thanks so good for joining us inside "the war room." up next, a sensitive topic, and sadly one that gets very little at attention, and that is the culture of rape in our military and beyond. that story when we return. that viewers like about the young turks is that we're honest. they can question whether i'm right, but i think that the audience gets that this guy, to the best of his ability, is trying to look out for us.

♪ >> jennifer: i want to talk about a topic that gets far less attention than it deserves and that's military rape. a woman in the military is more likely to be raped by a fellow

soldier than killed by enemy fire. according to the defense department, an estimated 19,000 military personnel are raped every year, but few of these assaults are actually reported. in 2011 only about 3,200 rape reports were filed. so former senator, vietnam vet, chuck hagel should change this culture of sexual violence in the ranks. and "the war room"'s christine pelosi has advice on how we should do this. christine thanks for coming back on this very sensitive issue. if he does get the nomination what should he do to change the culture inside of the defense department? >> i think before chuck hagel is nominated, when he goes on his courtesy visits to the senator. he should meet with senator who have been working with survivors

of military rape. including those women featured in the movie called "the invisible war." and it details these women -- very courageous stories and how they were not believed by the military and how they are getting problems having their va claims filled and the sexual trauma. already since that movie came out there has been some changes. barber boxer made it an end to the waivers they used to have for people convicted of sexual assault. now if you are convicted of sexual assault you cannot enter the military. it ends the prohibition on coverage for abortion for military rape cases. hagel voted against abortion

coverage for survivors of rape. now as secretary -- [ overlapping speakers ] >> well, not yet, but at least it's in your coverage. so that's a step forward. so he has to number one meet with the survivors. he ought to see the movie, "the invisible war." he needs to work with them and now prevent this from happening. and he also needs to really make a plan in this bill the ndda act, each of the branches of the armed services are required within a year to have sexual violence units created, so he needs to expedite that and make sure that the women are treated as equals to the men and that we end this cultural dialogue. >> jennifer: it is a cultural problem. and as you said you can start taking steps to change a culture

within a very large organization, and there's been some progressives who have criticized hagel because of his -- you know he is very conservative on social issues on choice, very conservative on a number of issues but because he has been very conservative does not mean that as leader of the department of defense that he would tolerate a culture of violence against women. and i think that's the line. he has to make it clear that he will not tolerate it. >> chuck hagel is very conservative of these issues. barack obama is very liberal. we need to go with the majority of the people in the country. and we have to break the cultural silence. >> jennifer: right. that's what we're going to talk about next with cenk uygur. christine thank you so much for coming inside "the war room."

and all of the writing you are doing on this as well. rape is a big and underreported problem, as christine mentioned in subenville ohio two high school football players are going to go on trial next month for allegedly raping a 16-year-old girl last september. cenk uygur comes to was the latest. i know we're going to talk about what you are going to have on your show, but since you have been covering this particular case, rapes happen every day in america and they often get no press. why is this story garnering so much at attention. >> honestly because anonymous jumped into the fray here. >> jennifer: tell people who anonymous is. >> it's a group that works largely online and hide their identity and to some degree they

are a vigilantly group, and they do do hacking from time to time, and in this case they were fighting justice and saying these women are being sexually assaulted and there needs to be greatest justice in this case. they uncovered a baseball player as well, in fact they found a 12-minute video of him bragging about raping these girls. in fact in this town these guys were called the rape concern. and there was significant concern that the town did not take it as seriously because it involved athletes and people were concerned that there wouldn't be follow up enough in this case. and the transparency that anonymous has caused people to pay more attention which is a good thing. >> jennifer: yeah, for sure. i really appreciate you for covering this on "the young turks" and coming on to tell us a little bit about it. what else have you got going on tonight? >> we have bad news and good news, the bad news is kbr

poisoned our troops. toxic chemicals that wound up cooling some of them. but it gets worse, they are make the u.s. taxpayers pay for it. after they poison our troops they make the taxpayers pay for it. we have the lawyer in that case on any show today. vice president biden has a meeting with gun-control advocates, including one of the guys that got shot at virginia tech. he is going to be on "the young turks." and he said the meeting went really well. and finally, money out of politics. we even have progress on that front in of all states texas. >> jennifer: all right. see, "the young turks" always on it. thanks, cenk. i can't wait to watch your show. and up next ever else. a few of the stories we wanted you to know about.

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♪ >> jennifer: and now to some really interesting stories that caught my eye. these progressive nuggets that we didn't want you to miss. first off, aig, which is of course the taxpayer bailed out insurance giant has decided not to join a lawsuit against the federal government after all. the suit itself in which the former manager said investors weren't properly paid during the bailout, but they have decided

not to join that lawsuit. good. and donald berwick is the guy who's domination republicans blocked two years ago. he was set to oversee medicare and medicaid services. donald berwick told the "boston globe" that he is considering running for governor of massachusetts. and there is a lot to like about donald berwick like his thoughtful stance on health care. here is what he told us the day the supreme court upheld obamacare. >> this is a wonderful country. we are taking a step towards health care as a human right. that's where we need to go. and we're in a very smart way using the private and public sector together. this isn't a government takeover. this is normal medicine giving the care they want to give. >> jennifer: and the health care community loves him by the way. we hope the governor's office

will stay blue one deval patrick moves on. and the battle continues and could be making its way to a fast-food franchise near you. they are slashing employee hours to avoid paying for obamacare. they are required to offer health insurance to employees who work more than 30 hours a week. so what are franchise owners doing? cutting hours and as a result cutting paychecks and of course eliminating benefits. some employees are speaking out, like a single mother who works at a taco bell in guthrie, oklahoma. take a listen. >> they informed everybody that nobody was considered full-time any longer that everybody was now be considered part-time. we would be cutting everybody's hours back to 28 hours or less due to obamacare. >> jennifer: which of course

begs the question don't we want the people who handle our food to be healthy? okay. progressives it's official. 2012 was the warmest year on record. the average temperature in 2012 was 55.3 degrees, that beats the previous already by one degrees. in the past average temperature records are usually broken by only a tenth of a degrees. up next, we're going to tell you about jonathan freeman's quest to turn the idea that corporations are people completely on its head. that's next right here in "the war room." question whether i'm right, but i think that the audience gets that this guy, to the best of his ability, is trying to look out for us.

>> we have to make sure that the promises we make in social security, meld care and medicare are promises we can keep. and there are various ways of doing that. one is we can raise taxes on people. corporations are people my friend. of course they are. >> jennifer: just -- warms your heart. who could forget this moment from the 2011 iowa state fair? who could have thought that romney's reasoning there could be used to try to get out of a traffic ticket and in to a constitutional debate. jonathan frieman is a san francisco bay resident. he appeared in traffic court on monday to protest a $500 ticket. and that ticket was for a car pool lane violation, where you're supposed to have at least two people in the car.

he was driving by himself, but here is the thing. he had incorporation papers for a corporation in the car with him, and now he's claiming hey, if the supreme court says corporations are people, shouldn't traffic police as well? earlier i sat down with mr. frieman. >> the -- the specific thing that really got me going on this was that years ago i saw the signs on 101 that say that a car pool is for two or more persons. >> jennifer: right. >> persons under the law are defined as human beings or corporations. so why not? why not? >> jennifer: why not? >> why not take a corporation in the car with me -- >> jennifer: so you have these incorporation papers in the car with you. >> right. >> jennifer: you get pulled over by the police you are expecting that this eventually is going to happen, right? >> right. >> jennifer: have you been driving in the car pool lanes

for a while? off and on over ten years it was about 25 times. >> jennifer: so you were ready. he pulls you over and says you are in the wrong, and you say? >> right. and i say actually not. i have another person in the car with me and these are incorporation papers. [ laughter ] >> and i showed them to him. >> jennifer: what did he say? you smart-aleck you? >> he didn't say that but his look suggested such. he gets the ticket and i sign it. and i said thank you very much for giving me the ticket, but i want to let you know under vehicle code 470, it says that persons are corporations and two persons in the car means i'm allowed to be here, and he didn't get it. he just kind of yelled at me. you need two persons in the vehicle. >> jennifer: i love this. so of course all of our viewers who know we have been railing

about citizens united forever saying corporations are people according to the supreme court. so you decided you are going to fight this ticket. what was the main argument that your lawyer presented. >> obviously the sign says two or more persons. i had the incorporation papers to signify a person. the other argument was corporations are persons there's double meaning to assert that such personhood does not apply in an hoff lane but otherwise does. >> jennifer: so you can't have the word person mean two things if you are going to deprive somebody of their property -- >> exactly. >> jennifer: which the property in your case would be the money you would have to pay for your ticket. so it was a violation of your due process rights as well? >> right. >> jennifer: you obviously have

an element of activism for you. citizens united is an issue you have been passionate about. citizens united moved to the birth of the idea in my home but it was more the legal structure. years ago i thought instead of fighting all of these environmental battles, why don't we cut corporations in the legal structure and change them so they have to invest in a sustainable future. well, it's easier said than done, and one of the issues that came up early on was about corporate personhood. so it was something i thought about for a while. i think it's generally accepted if you take personhood away not a lot can happen to a corporation because people can still gather to make a profit -- >> jennifer: but if you take